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Wednesday, 5 November 2008

The Black Week for Print - October 27th to November 2nd, 2008




Many people are writing that last week was the worst week for Print Media since the Great Depression, as judged by layoffs, results and sea change shifts in reading habits. In many respects they're not wrong.


The front page of the IHT was dominated today by an article speaking about a similar paradigm shift in U.S elections, one that was turned upside down and 'truly became bottom up instead of top down'.

Speaking of the election, and the same can be said of media in the 21st century, the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections 'leveraged the Internet in ways never imagined. This year we went to warp speed.'

Exactly.


I've spoken of tipping points for the NYT Company and it is at one right now, because of this warp speed year.


A part of the Black Week for Print narrative was Gawker announcing rumoured sales of About.com (on Sunday 2nd November) by the NYT Company to reduce its debt and help it go private.
(BTW, all those people who took exception to my recent analysis of About.com really ought to go and read the derogatory comments about About.com posted on Gawker and elsewhere.)

I finally realised what the difference is between a blog and a non MSM news site like Gawker.

A good blog - hopefully this one - speculates on the future, using a platform of what I call 'conditional information' - things that might be true, things that might happen. Sites like HuffPo, Gawker etc rely often on reporting rumours without sources or verifiable fact checking. Nothing wrong with that, provided the reader knows what he or she is getting.

What you're getting at this blog is nothing more than informed speculation. It's what MSM calls opinion, and that the NYT hasn't an official editorial definition of what a blog is or should do tells you all you need to know about just what trouble they are in.

I had blogged several times on the dismantling of the NYT Company and the possibility of it being taken private well before actual rumours hit sites like Gawker.

I'll come back to this so-called Black Week to see if it's as black as everyone says it is.

For now, my personal point of view is that print has DEMAND side problems, not from READERS, but from ADVERTISERS who are losing faith in print as a viable option. I remain convinced that there is a demand for print from the reader, but what papers like the NYT and the IHT are SUPPLYING is not what (enough valueable) readers want.

The NYT Company Annual report of 2007 complained of audience fragementation.

OK. So what's the big effing problem?

Of course there is audience fragmentation, so having a single monolithic entity, be it on print, or online, as the NYT has, is clearly not a very smart idea as the middle ground CONSENSUS about what the intelligent mass market reader WANTS is over. Get it?

When I speak of dismantling the NYT Company, yes, I am talking about selling some assets to reduce debt, and going private wouldn't be a bad idea either.

However, what really needs to be dismantled and built from the ground up is the NYT newspaper and brands within the NYTMG stable, including the IHT.

Now naturally, with a million circulation and over two thirds of the company's revenues coming from the NYTMG, I wouldn't be doing that in a hasty or ill-considered manner.

However, I would be thinking about how the NTY Company can sit atop a framgmented audience and stop pursuing a strategy that seems to think that the NYT newspaper can somehow hold together that fragmentation.

It can't, for reasons of the audience's various, framgmented, age, income, interests, political affiliations and other things too many to get into right now.

The NYT Company needs to strip out its core brand values and apply them to other brands, new ones or existing ones, that cater to various audience splinters, some of which will be highly profitable in print as well as online.

It conspicuously failed to do this with About.com which serious Net Heads haven't looked at since they closed their AOL account about 9 years ago.

On this historic day, I'll leave you with this article from The Economist to think about.



A BIASED MARKET
Oct 30th 2008
Skewed news reporting is taken as a sign of a dysfunctional media. In fact, it may be a sign of healthy competition

BARACK OBAMA recently told a writer for the NEW YORK TIMES MAGAZINE that he was convinced he might be two or three percentage points better off in the polls for the American presidential election if Fox News, aright-leaning television station, did not exist. Sarah Palin, the Republican nominee for vice-president, has made hay railing against the bias of the "liberal media". Allegations of partial news reporting are common in American politics. But few stop to ask what leads to differences in the way the news is reported. Bias can be thought of as a supply-side phenomenon that arises from ideology. Owners' or employees' political views will determine how a newspaper or channel slants its coverage of a piece of news. But this does not square with the assumption that readers and viewers value accuracy. If so, then competition should hurt media outlets that systematically distort the news (in any direction). The brouhaha about bias in America, as free a media market as any, suggests something else is going on. The key to understanding why bias flourishes in a competitive market may lie in thinking more clearly about what readers actually want.

Sendhil Mullainathan and Andrei Shleifer, two Harvard economists,argued in an influential paper*[1] that it may be naive to think that people care about accuracy alone. Instead, they modelled the consequences of assuming that newspaper readers also like to have their beliefs confirmed by what they read. As long as readers have different beliefs, the Mullainathan-Shleifer model suggests that competition, far from driving biased reporting out of the market, would encourage newspapers to cater to the biases of different segments of the reading public.

A more recent paper**[2] by Matthew Gentzkow and Jesse Shapiro,two economists at the University of Chicago's business school, set out to test this proposition. To do so, they first needed a way to measure the political slant of American news coverage. Their solution was rather imaginative. The researchers ran computer programs that analysed debates in Congress and identified phrases that were disproportionately used by Republicans or Democrats. The list of frequent Democratic phrases, for example,included "estate tax". While talking about the same issue, Republicans tended to use the phrase "death tax". (This is not just coincidence. MrGentzkow and Mr Shapiro quote an anonymous Republican staffer as saying that the party machine trained members to say "death tax", because"'estate tax' sounds like it hits only the wealthy but 'death tax' sounds like it hits everyone".) Having identified partisan phrases, the academics then analysed the news coverage of more than 400 American newspapers to see how often they cropped up in reporting. This gave them a precise measure of "slant", showing the extent to which the news coverage in these papers tended to use politically charged phrases.
Mr Gentzkow and Mr Shapiro then needed to assess the political beliefs of different newspapers' readerships, which they did using data on the share of votes in each newspaper's market that went to President Bush in the 2004 presidential elections, and information on how likely people in different parts of that market were to contribute to entities allied to either Democrats or Republicans. The researchers were now able to look at the relationships between circulation, slant, and people's political views.First, they measured whether a newspaper's circulation responded to the match between its slant and its readers' views. Not surprisingly, they found that more "Republican" newspapers had relatively higher circulations in more "Republican" zip codes. But their calculations of the degree to which circulation responded to political beliefs also allowed them to do something more interesting: to calculate what degree of slant would be most profitable for each newspaper in their sample to adopt, given the political make-up of the market it covered. They compared this profit-maximising slant to their measure of the actual slant of each newspaper's coverage. They found a striking congruence between the two. Newspapers tended,on average, to locate themselves neither to the right nor to the left of the level of slant that Mr Gentzkow and Mr Shapiro reckon would maximise their profits. And for good commercial reasons: their model showed that even a minor deviation from this "ideal" level of slant would hurt profits through a sizeable loss of circulation.

HAVE I GOT SKEWS FOR YOU
Showing that newspapers have a political slant that is economically rational does not necessarily answer the question of whether ownership or demand determines bias. Here, the academics are helped by the fact that large media companies may own several newspapers, often in markets that are politically very different. This allowed them to test whether the slants of newspapers with the same owner were more strongly correlated than those of two newspapers picked at random. They found that this was not so: owners exerted a negligible influence on slant.

Readers' political views explained about a fifth of measured slant,while ownership explained virtually none.None of this is particularly helpful to seekers of the unvarnished truth. These conscientious sorts still have to find the time to readlots of newspapers to get an unbiased picture of the world. But by serving demand from a variety of political niches, competition does allow for different points of view to be represented. After all, just as Mrs Palin does not spend her time condemning Fox News, Mr Obama is unlikely to have too many complaints about the NEW YORK TIMES.
* "The Market for News", American Economic Review (September 2005).
**"What Drives Media Slant? Evidence from U.S. Daily Newspapers" (May2007)http://faculty.chicagogsb.edu/matthew.gentzkow/biasmeas081507.pdf[3]-----[1] http://www.economist.com/#footnote1
[2] http://www.economist.com/#footnote1

See this article with graphics and related items at http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12510893&fsrc=rss





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Wednesday, 29 October 2008

Keller Says No Further Job Cuts at the Times (NYO)

I posted recently on the perils of cost cutting by a thousand cuts and how bad for staff morale it is. I also posted on Goldman Sach's analyst quite rightly connecting the dots between editorial cut backs and declining circulation.

So it's good to read the following about Mr. Keller on job cuts. However, I am perturbed by his use of the word 'horizon'.

Where exactly is the 'horizon' in the current newspaper industry/wider financial crisis?

Not very far away I would say and hearing about job cuts from him before Gawker is the same as saying you'll hear it from Mr. Keller 5 mins before Gawker or this blog.


None of which would make me put too much weight into his statement, honest and sincere as it no doubt it is, but things are moving fast.

P.S I don't know which is worse as a moniker: 'State of the Newsroom' (pompous) or 'Throw stuff at Bill' (dress down Friday corporate B.S for serious meetings)






Keller Says No Further Job Cuts at the Times (NYO)
by John Koblin October 27, 2008

"Throw Stuff at Bill" Keller
New York Times executive editor Bill Keller denied that there will be any further newsroom job cuts at the Times this morning at his State of the Newsroom meeting, "Throw Stuff at Bill." [Update, October 28th: The Times sessions are actually called "Throw Stuff at Bill."]
"The answer is no," said Mr. Keller, according to an attendee. "No, I do not see another round of newsroom staff reductions on the horizon."
He said that hiring will be "even more selective than before," but the goal is to avoid painful cuts that other newspapers have made.
Earlier this year, the Times cut 100 newsroom positions, leaving the total newsroom body count around 1200—bigger than any other single newspaper's newsroom in the country. At Mr. Keller's last newsroom address, back in February, he announced those job cuts, leaving many staffers wondering if more cuts would be announced again today.
Gawker had recently
reported a tip that the newsroom was planning on a 20 percent editorial staff reduction.
Mr. Keller dismissed that rumor by saying, "consider the source." He said that if cuts become necessary, "You will hear it from me before you hear it on Gawker."
According to our source, the sole question that Mr. Keller was asked today was about job cuts and "he answered it, several times."
UPDATE 12:28 pm: Our source clarified that Mr. Keller wasn't asked one question; he was asked several.

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Wednesday, 22 October 2008

New York Times Credibility Stress.

In times like these, people have got to believe in your brand. A NYT subscription is easy to cut from one's personal budget (and lest we forget, the NYT Co. does still earn about 30% of its revenue from circulation) and you surely want info you can believe in.

I fear an awful consumer tipping point (again that phrase) for consumer confidence in the NYT.

JB, JM, and now this: a NYT writer distorting a survey’s findings to fit his theme, contrary to The Times’s standards of integrity. (Oh yeah, I liked a correction in the IHT yesterday that got the number of a loan wrong - it was US$500 million, not US$5oo billion as previously reported. Please. Coffees on me.)









October 21, 2008



Corrections
Editors’ Note
An article in the Itineraries pages last Tuesday reported about the increasing stress on business travelers, and cited the findings of “Stress in America,” an annual survey of the American Psychological Association. That survey found that economic factors were the leading causes of stress levels in 2008, but it did not say, as the article did, that “the crisis on Wall Street was the No. 1 cause of anxiety,” nor did participants in the survey say they felt most vulnerable to stress “in the office and on a business trip.”
The survey included data from Sept. 19 to Sept. 23, 2008, a period of volatility on Wall Street, but none of the questions in the association’s survey referred to Wall Street or any economic crises. Participants were not asked how business travel affected their stress levels or where they felt most vulnerable to stress. The author of the article distorted the survey’s findings to fit his theme, contrary to The Times’s standards of integrity.
The article also quoted incorrectly from a comment by Nancy Molitor, a psychologist in Wilmette, Ill., who told the author that, “In my 20 years of practice I’ve never seen such anxiety among my patients,” not “among my banking and business patients.” While Dr. Molitor does have patients in banking and business, she did not single them out as being more anxious than her other patients. (
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OK, those are the facts, no big deal you might think. You read the correction, if you spot it, appreciate their frank and timely response and move on.

But here's the damage.

Gawker reporting, love 'em or hate 'em, and the comments from Gawker I like to post because I think they do often reflect undercurrents about the NYT's brand perception (and my fear of this tipping point), follow below, but it's interesting to note how many of the comments from Gawker readers fit into Slate's criticisms of the NYT's back of the book feature people coming up with false trends. Gawker is Gawker but Slate is in fact owned by the WP.

And both, I am sure, are read by young, impressionable media buyers and planners within agencies. Chinese water torture...

I pick up a range of opinion that Thursday and Sunday NYT's are full of soft-news rubbish. That's 2 out of 7 days of that 30% circulation revenue.

The NYT people I speak to just don't seem to have any sense of this weakness within their brand perception. We're the NYT, Krugman has a Nobel Prize for God's sake, we're invincible. A must read, a must advertising buy.

There is no such thing as a must read and a must advertising buy when you're dealing with people who don't read much and buy advertising.








The Times ran a special editors' note this morning accusing one of its freelancers of twisting the truth "to fit his theme, contrary to the Times' standards of integrity." The writer, Paul Burnham Finney, apparently distorted an American Psychological Association survey to reflect his article's thesis that business travel and the Wall Street meltdown are stressing people out more than anything else. In fact, the survey showed the economy generally is stressing people out. Also, he rewrote a therapist's quote to also be more specific in the same way, the paper said. Having developed something of a history running false stories, the Times seems to have been eager to get out in front of this one, running its correction barely one week after the original article came out — quite a speedy timeframe for deciding one of your contributors is a liar.


GAWKER COMMENTS (BTW, you can skip the first rather crude comment if you like but I'll bet you a pound to a penny he's an IHT reader living in France.)


drunkexpatwriter 7:00 AM
You know, this could almost become an underground game/meme. People could try to get freelance gigs at the Times and then intentionally insert obviously false/misleading information into the stories to see what level of bullshit gets through.
The point of the game would be to see who could become possible for the most ridiculous correction in the Times.
Like, seriously, I'd love to be the dude who writes a story that eventually ends up leading to this type of correction:
"An article appearing in last Sunday's Times Magazine about Hollywood celebrities contained information that was skewed by our contributor, Bart Calendar, to fit his theme. While Paris Hilton did indeed make a sex tape, she has never said "I'd rather suck a Doberman's cock than lick Alan Arkin's asshole." Instead, she said "I'm thinking about getting a Doberman and appearing in a movie with Alan Rickman." In addition, Lindsay Lohan has battled drug addiction in the past, but did not say "I love shooting heroin with Milley Cyrus." Rather, the actress commented that "I'm going to be the heroine in a new movie they are shooting with Miley Cyrus." Furthermore, representatives of Tom Cruise insist that he never said "I'm a Catholic cockaholic and terrified of tasting tuna, suck my balls you bitches."
The Times regrets these errors.

drunkexpatwriter You know, this could almost become an underground...
4 replies by drunkexpatwriter, zaropa, drunkexpatwriter ...

AlexanderKerensky 7:55 AM
@drunkexpatwriter: That would, indeed, be the best correction ever.
Now the trouble is getting a gig with the Times after saying that.

AlexanderKerensky @ drunkexpatwriter : That would, indeed, be the best...

drunkexpatwriter 8:09 AM
@AlexanderKerensky: Do you think they really check credentials?

drunkexpatwriter @ AlexanderKerensky : Do you think they really check...

zaropa 9:28 AM
@AlexanderKerensky: You dont need a gig at the Times after that, you just go to Fox news.

zaropa @ AlexanderKerensky : You dont need a gig at the Times...

drunkexpatwriter 9:55 AM
@zaropa: But where is the challenge in doing that to Fox News?
Plus, you can't frame a video correction and keep it on your wall.

drunkexpatwriter @ zaropa : But where is the challenge in doing that to...


7:03 AM
veganrampage2 7:03 AM
I find the truth stressful enough.

veganrampage2 I find the truth stressful enough.


7:45 AM
PRIsNotJournalism 7:45 AM
Does that mean he doesn't get paid?

PRIsNotJournalism Does that mean he doesn't get paid?


9:05 AM
plasticene 9:05 AM
Does anyone believe the Times anymore?

plasticene Does anyone believe the Times anymore?


9:34 AM
Aaron Altman 9:34 AM
The ultimate stressor? Commercials for the Times "Weekender" subs.

Aaron Altman The ultimate stressor? Commercials for the Times...


10:45 AM 1 reply
themediatrix 10:45 AM
They have an entire section of articles twisted to fit the suppositions of the reporters. It's called the health section. Terms like "obesity crisis," and "lifestyle choices," and "the study reveals an association between..."
There is a sad lack of science literacy among Times reporters, and as a result, the health and medical writing is all based on givens, and conventional wisdom. They don't understand statistics, and continue to repeat information that is untrue without ever questioning their assumptions.
And I hate that stupid Tara Parker Pope, who can't manage to write anything original. WTF.

themediatrix They have an entire section of articles twisted to fit...
1 reply by themediatrix

themediatrix 11:36 AM
@themediatrix: FOR EXAMPLE, from today:
"One of the best ways to prevent cavities in children is to treat their molars with a dental sealant that protects the teeth..." Really? One of the best? According to...?
Sure, let's not worry about sourcing that "fact," everyone knows it's true, right? Plus, it sets up your whole column for today, right Tara. Actually, one of the best ways of preventing cavities is to keep kids from eating processed carbs and processed sugar, while pumping them full of raw milk [source: weston price]. But hey, it's better to say this other thing so that you can get that blog post pumped out, right?
[well.blogs.nytimes.com]

themediatrix @ themediatrix : FOR EXAMPLE, from today: "One of the...


10:50 AM 1 reply
HK_Guy 10:50 AM
I smell a rat, in the shape of an editor. Editors constantly badger freelancers to torture their quotes to fit some a priori theme in the editor's head. Since freelancers are under such stress to get stories in so they can get paid and go on to the next gig, they eventually succumb. So the freelancer takes the fall for the editor.

HK_Guy I smell a rat, in the shape of an editor. Editors...
1 reply by Seeräuber Jenny

Seeräuber Jenny 12:29 PM
@HK_Guy:
That is a possibility. Perhaps we'll hear more.

Seeräuber Jenny @ HK_Guy : That is a possibility. Perhaps we'll hear...


12:28 PM 1 reply
Seeräuber Jenny 12:28 PM
So the moral of the story is that it's better to just make sh-t up as they do every Thursday and Sunday?
At least the freelancer didn't claim to see Pol Pot masquerading as a Native American who was raised by a ghetto foster mother while engaged in the act of personally carrying aluminum tubes that could be used for weapons of mass destruction.

Seeräuber Jenny So the moral of the story is that it's better to just...
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Wednesday, 15 October 2008

NYT Layoff Rumours - Caveat Emptor: From Gawker


5:22 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
6,552 views
It should not be such a surprise that the New York Times is planning unprecedentedly brutal cuts to its editorial staff for 2009. After all, the newspaper has the most heavily-staffed newsroom in the country, with some 1,200 employees. Advertising revenues have declined at double-digit rates. And—after the recent economic swoon—the business won't be rebounding any time soon. But here's the funny thing about the rumor we're hearing:
The end-year cuts will fall most heavily on the newspaper's softer sections and the Times Magazine—in other words, those parts of the newspaper that are in most demand by advertisers. Publisher Arthur 'Pinch' Sulzberger apparently remains committed to saving the newspaper's pride, its costly and unprofitable hard news. In the words of Marshal Canrobert as he watched the British Light Brigade charge to destruction: "C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre." A rough translation into demotic American: Pinch, you crazy guy.




COMMENTS ON THIS GAWKER PIECE


IW: I have no trust in Gawker, nor do I discount it. Actually, what I find interesting are
a) How many people have read this story (6,552)
b) How many people have commented
c) What they say and what mood music this creates around the NYT. (More anti-NYT/print agitprop but also many coming to the defence of the NYT.







mrsarahpalinsbaby 5:31 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
Your ass is grass Jennifer 8. Check yo fortune for real yo.

mrsarahpalinsbaby Your ass is grass Jennifer 8. Check yo fortune for real...
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overunderover 7:25 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
@
mrsarahpalinsbaby: On a related note, Jennifer's 1 - 7 were spared.

overunderover @ mrsarahpalinsbaby : On a related note, Jennifer's 1 -...

cosmiclove 8:28 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
@
mrsarahpalinsbaby: I just found your fortune cookie. It reads: "Soon you will speak like Sarah Palin for all the future.''

cosmiclove @ mrsarahpalinsbaby : I just found your fortune cookie....

mrsarahpalinsbaby 8:51 AM on Tue Oct 14 2008
@
cosmiclove: you betcha!

mrsarahpalinsbaby @ cosmiclove : you betcha!


5:34 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008 1 reply
Larry Bird Flu 5:34 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
How will I know whether or not to kick a hobo without The Ethicist?

Larry Bird Flu How will I know whether or not to kick a hobo without...
1 reply by Smitros

Smitros 11:56 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
@
Larry Bird Flu: You can always bypass the hobo and kick The Ethicist himself. I know I've wanted to.

Smitros @ Larry Bird Flu : You can always bypass the hobo and...


5:37 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
belltolls 5:37 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
I am scrapping my 4,000 word think piece on "The Return of Wicker" right now.

belltolls I am scrapping my 4,000 word think piece on "The Return...


5:39 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008 3 replies
the supergoddess 5:39 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
I'm not sure I understand the snotty and derisive tone here, Mister Denton. I mean, it's fine that you place the bottom line before all else but why should we flog the Times for having a different set of values from that of Gawker Media?

the supergoddess I'm not sure I understand the snotty and derisive tone...
3 replies by JC Hewitt, Ogiri W Surie, Balsa Wood

JC Hewitt 5:55 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
@
the supergoddess: I think you are getting to the core of the issue a bit, in that the Times has routinely pursued a different set of values than that of the market.
That's not exactly kind to their employees, who are now suffering because of repeated poor business decisions. These are the consequences of irresponsible management - and I wouldn't be surprised if the Times continues to struggle, seeing as they apparently aren't learning their lessons.
You'd expect this sort of bungling from a company run on nepotism, naturally...

JC Hewitt @ the supergoddess : I think you are getting to the core...

Ogiri W Surie 7:48 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
@
the supergoddess: Hear, hear. Yes the Times has a serious issue with it's business model but that no reason to vilify them for trying to adhere to actual journalism. Should they become a tabloid like the Daily Post because that's what's more titillating? No need to answer. I think I know what that answer would be.

Ogiri W Surie @ the supergoddess : Hear, hear. Yes the Times has a...

Balsa Wood 4:08 AM on Tue Oct 14 2008
@
Ogiri W Surie: Second that. I can't begin to understand Gawker's adolescent hate on for the Times. "Your management falters, so burn in hell for eternity!"
Seriously: what the hell would we do without the hard journalism sections of the New York Times? What the hell would Gawker do?

Balsa Wood @ Ogiri W Surie : Second that. I can't begin to...


5:51 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
creggb 5:51 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
Well said. Cutbacks in the Magazine and Style sections will definitely force gawker to be even more innovative. Just like cutbacks in -- what was it? -- 15-20 per cent of this media group's staff a week ago?

creggb Well said. Cutbacks in the Magazine and Style sections...


6:15 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
naugahydeinplainsight 6:15 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
While surprising, it makes sense to me that The Times -- forced to choose -- would focus on the hard-news "product" rather than the much-derided (on Gawker and elsewhere) soft stuff (Styles, anyone?). News, analysis and investigations are what it does best and what you can't find everywhere else. Whatever economic model they use to deliver the paper, there still has to be something worth selling.

naugahydeinplainsight While surprising, it makes sense to me that The Times --...


6:33 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008 2 replies
alorsenfants 6:33 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
So now, all those proposterous supplement magazines... am thinking in particular of the one called "T"... will no longer exist? And there will be no teaser lines on the main website page leading to you them with that catchy phrase: "It's All About..."
Goodness, how in heavens will I now know what it's All About!

alorsenfants So now, all those proposterous supplement magazines......
2 replies by LongIslandSettee, fileunder

LongIslandSettee 6:42 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
@
alorsenfants: Wait, T is a magazine? I thought it was an advertising supplement. I'm serious - really?

LongIslandSettee @ alorsenfants : Wait, T is a magazine? I thought it was...

fileunder 9:12 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
@
LongIslandSettee: No, that's Key.

fileunder @ LongIslandSettee : No, that's Key .


6:34 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
alorsenfants 6:34 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
It's all about being "preposterous", actually --

alorsenfants It's all about being "preposterous", actually --


6:46 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008 2 replies
rajmahall 6:46 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
Pleeeeeease fire Bill Kristol.

rajmahall Pleeeeeease fire Bill Kristol.
2 replies by KingOfSnake, Ogiri W Surie

KingOfSnake 6:53 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
@
rajmahall: Yeah, because with all the conservative columnists they already have, Kristol is redundant.

KingOfSnake @ rajmahall : Yeah, because with all the conservative...

Ogiri W Surie 8:54 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
@
rajmahall: Yeah, really. His duck lips annoy the shit out of me.

Ogiri W Surie @ rajmahall : Yeah, really. His duck lips annoy the shit...


7:02 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008 5 replies
The Cooler 7:02 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
I find it interesting that after three weeks of almost non-stop economic meltdown coverage (there's even a mini-site! How cute.) that you completely ignored the stock market bounce today. (Yet, still found room for gloating like this.) Only doom and gloom gets the ink?

The Cooler I find it interesting that after three weeks of almost...
5 replies by JC Hewitt, Ryan Tate, Ryan Tate ...

JC Hewitt 7:13 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
@
The Cooler: Shit, the bounce is way more depressing than a proper drop. You think it's going to stick around...?

JC Hewitt @ The Cooler : Shit, the bounce is way more depressing...

The Cooler 7:24 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
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JC Hewitt: Irrelevant. It's part of the story, isn't it?

The Cooler @ JC Hewitt : Irrelevant. It's part of the story, isn't...

JC Hewitt 7:35 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
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The Cooler: Sure.
I'm curious as to why it wasn't covered as well, but for me, today's run-up looked wayyyy too similar to a Zimbabwe Industrial Index chart to be considered happy sunshine news.

JC Hewitt @ The Cooler : Sure. I'm curious as to why it wasn't...

Ryan Tate 10:11 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
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The Cooler: Um:[gawker.com]

Ryan Tate @ The Cooler : Um: [gawker.com]

Ryan Tate 11:17 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
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Ryan Tate: Oh never mind, that's what I get for not checking the markets after I wake up. 5 percent is nothing!

Ryan Tate @ Ryan Tate : Oh never mind, that's what I get for not...


8:10 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
PandoraSpocks 8:10 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
Get rid of Frank Rich, MoDo and a few of the other entitled real journalist types and there might be more money for the hard news.

PandoraSpocks Get rid of Frank Rich, MoDo and a few of the other...


8:23 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008 2 replies
cosmiclove 8:23 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
I, for one, hope Gawker doesn't cut its softer sections. They're the best part of the site. Are tumors soft? They should go, then.

cosmiclove I, for one, hope Gawker doesn't cut its softer sections....
2 replies by rudolphdude, cosmiclove

rudolphdude 9:11 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
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cosmiclove: Oh Tumors are most def hard news.

rudolphdude @ cosmiclove : Oh Tumors are most def hard news.

cosmiclove 10:13 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
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rudolphdude: Booya!

cosmiclove @ rudolphdude : Booya!


9:31 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
cassandra 9:31 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
Maybe they're realizing that their soft sections are not very good. Plus, advertisers for soft sections are usually focused on selling high-end consumer goods, which makes them the most vulnerable to an advertising pullback. So, no real loss.
Besides, maybe they'll make their writers submit actual stories as often as once every two weeks!

cassandra Maybe they're realizing that their soft sections are not...


10:21 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
cosmiclove 10:21 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
Now, where will I read that a healthy diet and exercise help lower your blood pressure? Huffpo, I guess. NOT.

cosmiclove Now, where will I read that a healthy diet and exercise...


10:26 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
cosmiclove 10:26 PM on Mon Oct 13 2008
Is business considered a soft section since it missed the biggest news story of a lifetime?

cosmiclove Is business considered a soft section since it missed...


1:29 AM on Tue Oct 14 2008
Hey_mikey 1:29 AM on Tue Oct 14 2008
Also, what with all the media "coverage" - not to get myself banned from the site or anything -- but not a mention of the fact that, hold on to your hats, the Brits managed to go from seeing the problem to paying out pounds in five days. We're still talking after weeks. Are our guys just dumb, or sadistic?

Hey_mikey Also, what with all the media "coverage" - not to get...


4:19 AM on Tue Oct 14 2008
Swordfish 4:19 AM on Tue Oct 14 2008
As long as they cut the barrage of those insipid T magazines... Bring back the twice-yearly Fashions of the Times! Twice a year, yes. Fourteen times a year, NO!

Swordfish As long as they cut the barrage of those insipid T...


10:45 AM on Tue Oct 14 2008 1 reply
HK_Guy 10:45 AM on Tue Oct 14 2008
Makes perfect sense. Anyone with a computer - hell, with a pencil and an eraser - no, make that a crayon - can write the shit in the Styles sections (case in point: those horrid shopping articles by Mike Albo and Alex Kuczynski or whatever-the-fuck her name is).
Try having one of the myriad "style journalist" (now THERE'S an oxymoron for our times) freelancer step into Adam Nagourney or Floyd Norris' beats.
Face it: the writers for this crap are a dime a dozen. Try advertising for reporters and see how many resumes you can get from "arts writers" and reviewers - and how many for hard-news reporters.

HK_Guy Makes perfect sense. Anyone with a computer - hell, with...
1 reply by tammyfey

tammyfey 1:08 PM on Tue Oct 14 2008
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HK_Guy: Well, I agree that there are some shitty writers writing shitty shit in various fluffish sections (*cough*melissaclark*cough*), but having Mike Albo and Cintra Wilson write the shopping columns was a brilliant idea, because they rock. The Kooze, with whom I never had much of a problem--setting aside her dabbling in plagiarism--hasn't written much lately, as far as I can tell.
I do firmly believe that good writing is good writing, no matter the subject, so it's bullshit to arbitrarily deem traditional, "hard" newsreporting as legitimate and dismiss arts, style, food, travel, etc. articles as fluff.

tammyfey @ HK_Guy : Well, I agree that there are some shitty...



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